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    Re: Jacobite Uprising

    Hi Kelly - let me respond to your points in reverse order.

    Ye Jacobites By Name - I detest this 'song' . The original version simply attacked the Jacobites from a contemporaneous Whig point of view and although the lyrics were re-written in 1791 by Rabbie Burns to give a more humanist, anti-war feel to it, I cannot ever forget the original words. I never sing it and never play it.

    Here are the original lyrics (although it upsets me to post them)

    You Jacobites by Name, lend an ear, lend an ear,
    You Jacobites by Name, lend an ear;
    You Jacobites by Name,
    Your thoughts I will proclaim,
    Some says you are to blame for this Wear.

    With the Pope you covenant, as they say, as they say,
    With the Pope you covenant, as they say,
    With the Pope you covenant,
    And Letters there you sent,
    Which made your Prince present to array.

    Your Prince and Duke o'Perth, where they go, where they go,
    Your Prince and Duke o'Perth, where they go,
    Your Prince and Duke o'Perth,
    They're Cumb'rers o' the Earth,
    Causing great Hunger and Dearth where they go.

    He is the King of Reef, I'll declare, I'll declare,
    He is the King of Reef, I'll declare,
    He is the King of Reef,
    Of a Robber and o' Thief,
    To rest void of Relief when he's near.

    They marched thro' our Land cruelly, cruelly,
    They marched thro' our Land cruelly,
    They marched thro' our Land
    With a bloody thievish Band
    To Edinburgh then they wan Treachery.

    To Preston then they came, in a Rout, in a Rout,
    To Preston then they came, in a Rout;
    To Preston then they came,
    Brave Gard'ner murd'red then.
    A Traitor did command, as we doubt.
    To England then they went, as bold, as bold,
    To England then they went, as bold;
    To England then they went,
    And Carlisle they ta'en't,
    The Crown they fain would ha'en't, but behold.

    To London as they went, on the Way, on the Way,
    To London as they went, on the way,
    To London as they went,
    In a Trap did there present,
    No battle they will stent, for to die.
    They turned from that Place, and they ran, and they ran,
    They turned from that Place, and they ran;
    They turned from that Place
    As the Fox, when Hounds do chace.
    They tremble at the Name, Cumberlan'.

    To Scotland then they came, when they fly, when they fly,
    To Scotland then they came, when they fly,
    To Scotland then they came,
    And they robb'd on every Hand,
    By Jacobites Command, where they ly.

    When Duke William does command, you must go, you must go;
    When Duke William does command, you must go;
    When Duke William does command,
    Then you must leave the Land,
    Your Conscience in your Hand like a Crow.

    Tho' Carlisle ye took by the Way, by the Way;
    Tho' Carlisle ye took by the Way;
    Tho' Carlisle ye took,
    Short Space ye did it Brook,
    These Rebels got a Rope on a Day.

    The Pope and Prelacy, where they came, where they came,
    The Pope and Prelacy, where they came;
    The Pope and Prelacy,
    They rul'd with Cruelty,
    They ought to hing on high for the same.

    Perhaps by reading this drivel you will understand my feelings. Apologies if I have offended anyone.

    I will answer you other questions later.
    Last edited by The Jacobite; 23rd March 2011 at 05:17.

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    Re: Jacobite Uprising

    Now - once I've calmed down. lol

    Here is a brief statement on Na Fir Dileas taken from our website:


    Formally constituted in 1998, Na Fir Dileas or (The Loyal Men), evolved from an amalgamation of several smaller groups and like-minded individuals all of whom shared the same goals and ambitions. These goals and ambitions were to see the rebirth of the ancient “Kingdom of Scots” and a reinstatement of “The Royal house of Stewart” as its sovereign heads of state. Na fir dileas actively campaign for and support the move for a democratically created independent Scotland, capable of standing on its own merits and shoulder-to-shoulder with all free nations of the world.

    Although Na Fir Dileas was first constituted in 1998 it had been around as an organisation in various guises since 1994. It first came into existence as “The Clan Ochil” and was formed by several people with Jacobite sympathies all hailing from the Clackmannanshire area in Scotland. It then went through a period of uncertainty as its membership grew and people from out with Clackmannanshire became more involved. It was then felt by the then current membership that the name “Clan Ochil” had become somewhat unsuitable for a group that was spread throughout the length and breadth of Scotland. Since then the names have ranged from “The King’s Clan Regiment” and “An fir dileas gu Seamus”, before finally settling for its current name “Na Fir Dileas” (The Loyal Men).

    Na Fir Dileas are primarily a political and semi religious group; in so much as they are motivated by their “Jacobite” heritage and background and that they carry out their commemoration services with a spiritual and religious undertone. Na Fir Dileas do not back or support any mainstream political or religious organisation whatsoever, nor will they allow themselves to be connected to any organisation that are deem by the membership to be operating in an unlawful or underhanded manner, or in a manner that may be construed as being contrary to the democratic process.

    We primarily achieve our aims through education and by holding commemorative services at many of Scotland’s historical sights. These services often take the format of a march (usually trying to re-create the approach to a battle field by a Scottish or Jacobite army or something equally as meaningful) and followed by speeches, an account of what actually happened, prayers, wreath laying and a piper’s lament. In most cases this is usually ensued by a social function with food and live music.

    Na Fir Dileas have never hidden the fact that they regard themselves as modern day Jacobites, supporting a monarchy that last reigned in Britain over 300 years ago. A monarchy that is seen in some circles as being totally outdated, obsolete and even extinct. These are views that Na Fir Dileas do not subscribe to in any shape or form whatsoever and they firmly believe that Scotland can only benefit from full independence from the UK and a reinstatement of it’s ancient Royal line, the Royal house of Stewart.

    Can I personally trace my line? Well I am in the process of doing so at the moment. My immediate family are from Fife but I have managed to trace them back so far to the Highlands and the Lochaber area. Paul is a sept name of Cameron and I am proud to say I am a member of that great Clan. I haven't completed my search yet though.

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    Re: Jacobite Uprising

    Na Fir Dileas have never hidden the fact that they regard themselves as modern day Jacobites, supporting a monarchy that last reigned in Britain over 300 years ago. A monarchy that is seen in some circles as being totally outdated, obsolete and even extinct. These are views that Na Fir Dileas do not subscribe to in any shape or form whatsoever and they firmly believe that Scotland can only benefit from full independence from the UK and a reinstatement of it’s ancient Royal line, the Royal house of Stewart.
    How does the NFD go about finding the Rightful Stewart because so many records are hidden and protected?

    By what standards are your historians qualified?

    Does the NFD know and understand the roll of the Grand Lodge of Scotland and all Scottish Knights Templar in the roll of Stewart Monarchs?

    How do you promote yourself's other than your website?
    kellyd

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