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    Tracing DNA through Genealogy Paper Work

    For most people who have the Family DNA testing, they can find a direct link by paperwork to their ancestor, BUT, when it comes to adoption, name changes and other unforeseen predicaments, it is very difficult to trace.

    I can only use our own experience to help with an explanation.

    We started out with McNeal/MacDonald of Barra and Jura. It was a very rare signature. There are only 7 others who match closely enough to say 'yes we are from the same ancestor.' The matches were either one away up to 4 away (110 out of 111 markers to 107 markers out of 111).

    Our one away matched a MacMillion of VA. I wrote a cousin (third cousin) in WV and asked him what oral tradition has been handed down? He wrote me back to state, our Great Great Aunt had handed down that we were really MacMillons but had to change the name to Williams because of the trouble over your way Kelly. He was meaning Scotland.

    It came together when I spoke to a kind lady from Lewis who was a direct from a Farqhar MacDonald. She told me of the legend, one of the son's of the Glencoe MacIans escaped to Caithness. His son, John was a very well known shepherd. He was a wonderer. His wife was Mary McKay or McCoy, He drops of the face of Scotland's records at the time our John McMillion and Mary McCoy show up in VA. This kind lady also told me, MacIan is also called MacKay in the highlands.

    The MacMillions, McCoys, Williams and Ochiltree are all married within each family for 4 generations.

    When I excepted the fact we are really MacMillions, the rest of the puzzle fell into place. John MacMillion had to be John MacDonald of the MacIan, Glencoe.

    The families who came to Virginia after Culloden who have stayed together over 250 years were William McCoy, John MacMillion, John Burns, Alexander, Matthew and Michael Ochiltree, Ambrose Williams and William Blaeke. Other families who came in in the 1790s were Wilson, Skidmore, Ruddell, Steele, Lewis and Alexander.

    DNA is very difficult but once you look at the surrounding facts either by knowing your clan history and names to history of the time frame. You can eventually over come the mountain of doubt.

    My father's DNA is much easier as we have the family back to 1680. Our Halley was in servitude when he came to Virginia. Father has only had the 37 marker test but it is enough to put us into the Orkney families. Our first match is a Sinclair of Orkney. Stuart looked up the Halley name in Blacks. This is when we find a Thomas Halley serving as a solicitor in Deerness Orkney.

    My mother has the RL165 Viking and my father has the U106 L48+ Viking. Both lines being very rare with only a handful of other matches therefore much easier to trace than matching 100's.
    kellyd

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    Re: Tracing DNA through Genealogy Paper Work

    Hg R1b L165+
    238779 Duncan Buie/Bowie, b abt 1781, Jura Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 14 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 32 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-22 16 15 18 16 37-38 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 15 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 22 15 20 15 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 18 9 12 11
    220363 John McMillion, b. 1735/36, Virginia Unknown Origin R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 31 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-22 15 15 18 16 37-37 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 21 15 19 16 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    162876 john williams b 1887 d 1965 United Kingdom R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 12 13 28 18 9-10 11 11 24 15 20 31 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-22 16 15 18 16 37-37 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 22 15 19 16 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    46281 Donald McDonald b.c.1750 m.1785 Latheron Caithness Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 12-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 17 9-9 11 11 25 15 20 30 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 16 15 17 16 37-39 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16


    This is the DNA reading s of the Germanic Viking category....
    111 marker test.

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    b Barra R1b, L165+ (Norse)
    50928 McDonald James Macdonald 1794 to 1857 Reay Caithness Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 14 10 11-12 12 12 12 12 13 28 17 9-9 11 11 25 15 20 30 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 16 15 18 16 38-39 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 27 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 22 15 19 15 24 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 15 17 9 12 11
    196207 MacNeill Roderick McNeill, bef 1800 SCT., d. abt 1865 PEI Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 27 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 30 14-15-15-17 11 11 19-22 16 15 20 16 37-38 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 21 15 19 15 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    69720 MacDonald John MacDonald of Achscoriclate 1752-1840 Caithnes Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 17 9-9 11 11 25 15 20 30 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 16 15 18 16 37-39 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 28 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 24 15 19 15 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    100750 Mac Neil Neil Macneil b1780 Barra d 1850 Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 30 14-15-15-17 11 11 19-22 16 15 18 16 37-38 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 21-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 22 15 19 15 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    220363 McMillion John McMillion, b. 1735/36, Virginia Unknown Origin R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 31 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-22 15 15 18 16 37-37 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 21 15 19 16 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    200478 MacDonald Farquhar MacDonald 1746-1842 Glutt, Halkirk, Caith Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 18 9-9 11 11 25 15 19 30 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 16 15 18 16 37-39 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 27 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 11 23 15 19 15 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    162876 Williams john williams b 1887 d 1965 United Kingdom R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 12 13 28 18 9-10 11 11 24 15 20 31 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-22 16 15 18 16 37-37 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 26 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 22 15 19 16 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
    46281 MacDonald Donald McDonald b.c.1750 m.1785 Latheron Caithness Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b5b 12 25 15 10 12-13 12 12 12 12 13 28 17 9-9 11 11 25 15 20 30 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 16 15 17 16 37-39 11 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 14 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 34 15 9 16 13 27 26 20 12 11 12 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 10 24 15 19 14 23 16 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 11
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    This is the 111 marker of the MacNeill of Barra Norse.....Everyone thinks the surname Williams is Welsh and cannot be Norse....They lack the understanding of the ancient Norse raiding all of England and Wales back in the 1100s, as when the Vikings were strong around the country of Scotland via England, Wales, Isle of Mann and Ireland....but the Pictish race was indegenous to the far north and Ireland, the Vikings loved the characteristics of the Pictish women.....and the Irish as well...

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    Re: Tracing DNA through Genealogy Paper Work

    MacMillion? I've never heard of that name......are you sure it's not MacMillan?

    Elda

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    Elda....I imagine it is, however we have no way of knowing as our McMillion and McMullin and Williams DNA matches....Our DNA does not match McMillan as we are now MacNeill of the Isles . Our DNA markers are totally different to the McMillan....I feel it was all transcribed in error when entering the US...we are a 29 generation McMillion/McMillan...with MacNeill/MacDonald markers.....that is difficult to understand.... Thanks for asking and I hope you are well....

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    Mama,

    There is a very good article about how to understand the marker difference and knowing when you share the same ancestor. We share the same MacDonald ancestor as McMillion/McMillan/McMullen share. It really doesn't matter the spelling or the name. What matters is finding the correct person with the correct genealogy back to the correct ancestor. You have already proven it up above by showing the oldest line and who they trace back to. :)))
    kellyd

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    Thanks......

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